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ISDC 2008 - Thursday Afternoon: Part 3

Space Media Panel
Dave Brody, Space.com
Mark Mayfield, Ad Astra Magazine
Keith Cowing, NASA Watch
Warren Leary, New York Times
Glenn Reynolds, Univ. of Tennessee, Instapundit
Jeff Foust, Futron Corporation, (spacetoday.net, spacepolitics.com, etc.) Moderator

[Warning: These are just fragments of what the panelists said. Also, they were fast talkers and I may have misinterpreted some of what they said. Perhaps a video of this interesting session will make it to the web.]

Foust - What is the significance of the big increase in space news and issues coverage?
Leary: Big increase in quantity but generally quality is low.
Reynolds: Most mainstream coverage space is very thin and shallow. E.g. an issue like the possibility that the FAA was going to pull Mojave spaceport's license got a lot of blog coverage. That's something that would never get much coverage in regular media
- MSM can monitor the blogs for whats happening and jump on stories of broader appeal.
Brody: Before the Internet it was much more difficult to find innovative activities happening below the radar of the media.
Cowing: I was blogging before it was called that.
Like being 10 years after the invention of printing press. Lot of stuff of little or no interest. Sites that are consistently wrong are soon not read by anyone.
Mayfield: Early efforts to get insider info on NASA shuttle crews. Using NASA Watch he heard about Dog Crews and that led him into a very interesting insight into world of the Shuttle corps.
Interactive aspect can mean opinion can be quickly repeated and treated as fact down the line.

Foust - During the Phoenix landing, he noticed that a Congressman was posting video of a view of the control room via his cell phone.
Mayfield: Good example of democratization of news gathering via sophisticated new technology. Lack of editing and examination means users must be more critical and skeptical of what they are seeing.
Cowing: When he started this in 1995, NASA challenged him strongly about insider reported.
Gradually became aware of the impact what he said could have. Made him more careful about what he posts and he also quickly corrects mistakes.
Just begun to see the change. WiFi will eventually be totally ubiquitous.
Brody: Agree that we are still very early in this new era and "haven't seen anything yet"
Reynolds: Can see a self-organizing effect as bloggers gather around a topic.
Leary: Jump 10 years ahead. What are the potential dangers when there are so many people shouting out, will there be anyone listening?
Maybe mid-course corrections needed?

Foust - Organizations like NSS and their magazines like Ad Astra and conferences like ISDC were once where one went to get info on space, especially space topics not covered elsewhere. How does the Internet effect such organizations and the services they provide?
Reynolds: Real issue, especially with magazines being so expensive to publish. Activist organizations can offer activism rather than information.
Brody: To get the attention of young people is very difficult. In competition with computer games, DVDs, etc. Need organized effort to reach them
Reynolds: Magazines are good for the longer articles and for more in-depth examination of things.
Cowing: The magazines don't serve the purpose they once did. Need to find a new role.
Mayfield: Very difficult to raise money to start a new magazine.
Organizations like the NSS are about building and organizing a community around common interests
Leary: A fan of The Space Review since he can get in depth information about the topics.
In old days when he got NSS's Space World magazine he liked the feeling that it was drawing him into a community of shared interests.
Don't need just to reach young people - what about the huge baby boom generation, many of whom are not deeply involved in the web.

Audience question: How to get message out to the public?
Cowing: Be passionately about what you are interested in. Provide useful info as well.
Reynolds: Reach out to general interest publications. E.g. he currently has an article in Popular Mechanics about lunar property rights.
Brody: Very difficult to reach kids. Science teachers seldom teach about space.
Cowing: Experience as member of board of Challenger Centers. We must learn how to bring space to people outside of the choir.
Leary: Learn how to communicate what is going on at a level or in a way that gives it meaning to the general public. E.g. seeing a single microbe on Mars in a microscope image could have profound effects on society, religion, etc.

Audience: How to reach media leaders?
Cowing: People are especially interested in knowing "when will we go". NASA is terrified of talking about such things.
Brody: Commercial operators will do marketing that NASA can't do, e.g. putting celebrities on flights.
Mayfield: Space activist need to convince the media leaders that space is important.

[Update: Did a bit of editing to clarify some items and correct the worst of sentence fragments and bad grammar.]

Comments

Wasn't the Direct presentation going to be today? Clark, do you know if anyone will be blogging about it?

Posted by Jason at 05/29/08 15:00:50

Hi Jason,
Yes, it was today but I wasn't very interested. Didn't think there would be much new info beyond what is on the web. Also, while I prefer it over Ares I/V, I can't get excited about a NASA-built ELV of any sort.

I will certainly post a link if I find someone who blogged that session.
- Clark

Posted by TopSpacer at 05/29/08 17:40:50

Yes, the Direct presentation was today (there was also a Jupiter presentation). They did not say anything that is not already in their other material. They did seem mystified that nobody at NASA seems to listen to them because they think their idea is so superior.

As for the media discussion, Glenn Reynolds didn't say anything terribly interesting. Other panelists said that the web is good for short, quick comments, but doesn't provide in-depth coverage like magazines. I think that it was Leary who said that a big problem with the web is that it's often impossible to figure out the source of information--it just appears and there is no way to know if it is accurate or where it came from.

I found Cowing's remarks to be hypocritical on several levels. He's a big fan of Twitter and criticizes NASA for not paying attention to it. But a) his example of a recent message he sent on Twitter was self-absorbed and pointless (does somebody who is not at the ISDC care that the PA system doesn't work? They want to know what was _said_ there.). And b) he operates a website that looks like it was designed in 1998 (try searching it sometime--see how easy it is to find a post from two months ago). He also claimed that he runs corrections. But his standard MO in the past has been to make a poorly-sourced statement and when somebody challenges him, he insists that it is true and attacks the person who tells him it is wrong. Then, after a short period of time, he makes it disappear.

He also made the claim that not only are magazines obsolete, but organizations like NSS are obsolete too and people will "self associate" via the web.

Posted by William Getting at 05/29/08 19:07:52

Gee Mr. Getting, if you were in the audience you could have stood up and said these things - that is what the microphone was for. Ah, but people are always bolder online than in real life.

If you don't like NASA Watch you are certainly free to get your news elsewhere - that way you can avoid my 1998 era website and all of the distress it seems to be causing you.

Posted by Keith Cowing at 05/30/08 07:35:28

Call me Bill.

I left before the question session, but had I stayed, I wouldn't have asked you anything anyways because you're not the kind of person who actually provides substance, only opinion. It's clear that you are just as ill-tempered and self-important in public as on the web. I'll admit that I was surprised at how old you are. Your behavior and obsession with Gen-Y is something I would expect from somebody in their 20s, not 50s. I always thought that experience, or at least age, causes people to moderate their baser instincts.

As for your website, I consider it to be a clipping service. The only real value that you add is not your piss and vinegar, but links to things written by other people. Of course, the irony of your comments on Thursday is that while you criticized organizations and media, 95% of your site is information produced by them. If they did not exist, you would be left to posting Twitter feeds.

Posted by William Getting at 05/31/08 04:35:00

Poor Bill, you seem to obsess about me and my website - and how it troubles you - yet you clearly visit it frequently. Perhaps you should shop around for a new place to get informed. You'll feel better, I promise.

Meanwhile, its curious how the owner of this website does not bother to enforce his own rules i.e. "Trash talking and name calling" Oh well.

Posted by Keith Cowing at 05/31/08 07:35:34

Keith doesn't bother banning you at the comment level, he just goes ahead and bans you at the server level. That's how he intends to get the NASAWatch word out to all of us space advocates and activists.

You know the saying, no news is good news.

Posted by Jennie at 05/31/08 17:29:11
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