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Griffin's last stand on Constellation

Mike Griffin made another defense of his rocket vehicle projects in a speech (pdf) today in Washington: Griffin’s latest defense of Constellation - Space Politics.

Rand Simberg comments here: Making The Case One Last Time - Transterrestrial Musings

As Rand states, Griffin has never backed up his claims about the superiority of the Ares I by providing the documents from his group's study and stating clearly their initial assumptions. Why some NASA engineers, for example, would know with such certainty the relative safety of the Ares I, which is still in development, vs Atlas V, which has been flying for several years, remains a mystery. Furthermore, subsequent to NASA's decision to go with Ares I, Lockheed Martin has studied a crew version of the Atlas V and indications in conference papers are that LM engineers, who are after all the experts on the vehicle, believe it could be implemented safely.

The thing that stands out to me in the speech is that the Ares V heavy lifter is the real goal. The Ares I is crucial because it will develop and maintain production lines for various components needed for the Ares V, which will not begin flying till late in the next decade. Griffin's assumption that a heavy lift vehicle is absolutely essential for deep space exploration is one that should be revisited if the new administrator asks for a review of Constellation. The Ares V will be extremely expensive to develop and, since it will only fly 3 or 4 times a year at most, it will have enormous operational costs. Alternatives involve some combination of multiple launches of medium lift vehicles, on orbit storage of fuel, and in orbit assembly. A strong argument can be made that economies of scale with a high flight rate will bring launch costs down significantly and fuel depots/orbital assembly capabilities are required anyway for a genuine spacefaring infrastructure.

Unfortunately, because of jobs, politics and institutional inertia, NASA will probably continue with Ares I/V/Orion in the next administration, regardless of a new NASA chief. However, I expect that costs will eventually force their cancellation.

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OK!! I admit that I am interested in space and not working on a space project but I still have an issue with the content of this message. (not yours Topspacer, Mr. Griffins.
I personally think that the people at NASA and their subcontractors are probably brilliant engineers. Reporting on Griffin’s comments indicate that he believes that NASA scientist and engineers can do anything. And I will give him the benefit of the doubt. They probably can. But why should we give them our tax dollars in such huge amounts with payoffs and results so far away. I guess I am frustrated that during this time of transition a stepwise approach has not been publicly discussed nor has the price tag of the current project.

Aside: I took my daughter to the XPrize Cup in 2006 when she was 8. We were docents for the school age kids. We had a great time. Even before then but especially afterwards I find myself following John Carmack’s adventure (and Elon Musk’s and John Powell’s and Scaled and XCOR and RRL and space tether ….) like it was a good book with unknown plot twists. What are NASA’s plot twists – GREAT Science (keep those missions to space going – Dawn is my current favorite), not to much research and a boring, plodding man space program. Let’s use the Space Station for some science and engineering. Let’s start and program that has many steps of success (and failure) not just a finish line. Let’s blog it, daily, weekly or monthly. Let’s have more and bigger prizes.

May the new administrator start the excitement?!!??

Posted by Evon Speckhard at 01/08/09 21:18:23

Well said!

Posted by Habitat Hermit at 01/09/09 02:02:28
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